Did Microsoft Steal Disk Compression? | Nostalgia Nerd

23 sep 2020
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Head to ​www.squarespace.com/nostalgianerd to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code NOSTALGIANERD.... I often ask myself; why have I been thinking about DoubleSpace and DriveSpace for almost 30 years. I have no answer. It's why I make these videos. It's why I'm talking today about why Drivespace replaced Doublespacce in Microsoft DOS 6.22, and why Microsoft creating Doublespace actually led to a lawsuit with a company called Stac Electronics. Did Microsoft STEAL their technology? Let's delve in.
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CompUSA Image: www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/153966880986279419/
The Stacker Conspiracy (opinion): grantster.com/2012/06/07/the-stacker-conspiracy/
Product Comparison: books.google.co.uk/books?id=uEkrL23rU98C&pg=PT280&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
InfoWorld 17 Feb 1992 / Product Reviews: books.google.co.uk/books?id=_z0EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA62&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
DOS 6 Benefits (Double Space): books.google.co.uk/books?id=kjyIOLYr7yMC&pg=PA123&dq=dblspace&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlgqOOy_LrAhVGTsAKHQLmB_gQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=dblspace&f=false
DOS 6 Over-view : books.google.co.uk/books?id=XNt4ttAFAiwC&pg=PA126&dq=doublespace&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiftZfHy_LrAhUGWsAKHdZVBF0Q6AEwAnoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=vertisoft&f=false
Court Proceedings Timeline (archived): ia803004.us.archive.org/4/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.61123/gov.uscourts.cacd.61123.docket.html
Stac vs Microsoft Text (archived): archive.org/details/STACMS_ZIP
1990 Hard Drive Ad: archive.org/details/PC_Magazine_1990_05_29_v9n10/page/n457/mode/2up?q=hard+drives
Stac Share Price June 1994: books.google.co.uk/books?id=x_1p1FQCWXkC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=stac+electronics+share+price+1995&source=bl&ots=HdlhVkwvxP&sig=ACfU3U1FGkSsJQbkHjzFOmafjPl4kxyw8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwitvYaBmfPrAhU_QUEAHR7xDk8Q6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=trip%20hawkins&f=false
DoubleCheck problems: books.google.co.uk/books?id=8zoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=doublecheck+program+blossom+software&source=bl&ots=d47fmqGfJQ&sig=ACfU3U1z6lJDPdWL4Sc8BkKiaua1gc6_0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7z-b36_DrAhWVQEEAHaReBjMQ6AEwEnoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
Patents: patents.justia.com/assignee/stac-electronics
VHS History Stills: vhistory.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/
DR-DOS 6 Stills: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DR-DOS-6-0-COMPLETE-AND-SEALED-in-Original-Box-See-Pics-for-Condition/274462677409?hash=item3fe74019a1:g:1iQAAOSwENVfOqGY
MS-DOS Promo: seworld.info/will/mqWp27W-i5dzu3k/video
Stac Case Report 28 February 1994: tidbits.com/1994/02/28/stac-wins-suit-against-microsoft/
Stac Shareholder Lawsuit: caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1221920.html
LZF Data Compression ANSI Document: masters.donntu.org/2003/fvti/boykov/library/lzs.pdf
Stacker: an illustrated Guide (archive): archive.org/details/stackerillustrat00gook/page/n15/mode/2up
GeoCities DoubleSpace Overview: www.geocities.ws/politalk/dos/dbldos.htm
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  • I think MS done a good thing, who tf wants to spend $150 on compression software, it costs 3x the actual OS. Stacker just greedy tbh

    Noobian GoddessNoobian Goddess8 dagar sedan
  • hhhhhhmmm, i think at this point Bill Gates did a little too much of the Doom

    rgerberrgerber11 dagar sedan
  • The Sloot Digital Coding System, was a data sharing technique which could allegedly store a complete movie in 8 kilobytes of data-orders of magnitude greater compression than the best currently available technology as of the 2020s. the catch? the data is stored on a prepared disk .............oooofff what a fad but look up the story its almost hilarious

    rgerberrgerber11 dagar sedan
  • I'm actively triggered by how you pronounce "patent" haha...I try to not let it bother me but you say it so much in this video lol.

    k nectionk nection16 dagar sedan
  • Very harsh the way companies called compression, not like better usage of space on writing files on disk, but doubling physically. Thinking now how could it be even possible coming from software...

    Guilherme MilhomemGuilherme Milhomem17 dagar sedan
  • MS surely bought/stole many things to make things work. Stole Apple font smoothness to build ClearType technology. Embedded Internet Explorer into Win95 to wipe down Netscape users. The browser(IE) itself was not made, but bought from Mosaic company. Apple also stole Xerox user interface technology to buid mouse functionality. If a company was big enough they could steal whatever it wanted. Taking certain care, it's likely this way it works.

    Guilherme MilhomemGuilherme Milhomem17 dagar sedan
  • what a bunch of diskheads

    William HWilliam H19 dagar sedan
  • I dislike Microsoft like your average Linux user, but software patents are the even bigger BS. Don't know who I like less in this story.

    bloody_albatrossbloody_albatross20 dagar sedan
  • We've had that compression for a long time, Microsoft did not invent it. Signal flags and Morse code shorthand were the first forms using humans as a biological buffer and modulator

    Peacocks & Polar BearsPeacocks & Polar Bears20 dagar sedan
  • It sucked the MS DOS 6.2 update made the disk compression incompatible to Stacker delivered with NW DOS 7.

    FuerstBergFuerstBerg20 dagar sedan
  • they steal everything where you been?

    Johnny BananasJohnny Bananas26 dagar sedan
  • That's it, I am officially dinosaur because I had them all and used them all. MS-DOS 5.5 and Stacker Disk Compression, and then MS-DOS 6.0 and DoubleSpace, and MS-DOS 6.22 and DriveSpace and Scandisk! Next I would like to see dot-matrix printer and Lettrix.

    Anthony MarkusAnthony Markus27 dagar sedan
  • Would it surprise anyone if he had stolen it? Let us see how Billy boy made it big. He sold IBM software he didn't own and bought a co-students software for little money and made a ton off of it. Then he stole Apples idea for windows and he is revered as someone smart? He is no betterv than Steve Jobs as far as intelligence. Those 2 men haven't made a damn thing. They employ the smart people to do the work while they reap ALL the rewards. SCUMBAGS! I believe that bill stole everything and anyone who listens to him as if he is an authority on any subject is an absolute fool!

    Matt KovacsMatt KovacsMånad sedan
    • microsoft never sold IBM products.

      tcrtylertcrtyler17 dagar sedan
  • Dude really hates Microsoft apparently

    MrNucleosomeMrNucleosomeMånad sedan
  • DR-DOS for the win!

    ErraticPTErraticPTMånad sedan
  • Gates stole everything he could all the guy can do is basic seriously

    Bob MoraneBob MoraneMånad sedan
  • I stopped listening to you sometime after the 10 minute mark because I was busy typing something and realized something: I didn't convulsively pause the video in annoyance, as I am prone to do. Apparently you don't have an annoying voice. Congrats.

    N37BU6N37BU6Månad sedan
  • Stacker...The FIRST software patent troll!

    light saberAddiCtlight saberAddiCtMånad sedan
  • Gates is evil so him stealing this is absolutely no suprise

    klizzard5166klizzard5166Månad sedan
  • Of course they did. Never trust Bill Gates are MS.

    Richard BarrettRichard BarrettMånad sedan
  • see i knew bill gates was a good person.

    Monkey Robots Inc.Monkey Robots Inc.Månad sedan
  • Hah. Microsoft stole everything, they've just been very good at it. Gates was enthusiastic, but he couldn't have written a basic OS to save his life. By the way , the IBM PC you show doesn't have a hard drive, it has two floppies.

    ImpromptuImpromptuMånad sedan
  • Funny isn't it that we helped build these companies..MS..Google...Apple...Amazon...YT...Etc and now they own us. I was so excited when all of this got going in the 90's. Now I wish the entire system would crash into oblivion. What a terrible position we put ourselves in. In 92 I would have said the Luddites were insane.

    Christopher PerryChristopher PerryMånad sedan
  • keeping those algorithms happy

    KoMaHu3λMKoMaHu3λMMånad sedan
  • Using stacker in the 90's was funny because it asked you upfront how much times the disk space it should show you (as far as I remember, the default was 200%) and running low on disk space meant that the free space shown, had to be taken with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, it looked like it actually tripled the drive because the stacker file showed the size of the disk space and the free space (in case it was empty) was twice of that. :)

    Blazs120glBlazs120glMånad sedan
  • Bill Gates will be remembered the same way Edison is. Stealing the inventions of others in underhanded ways without even giving credit

    P77777777P77777777Månad sedan
  • On my Win95 PC I had an 850mb Hard drive, and after almost filling it up installing programs, I started drivespace (I believe) to compress my data to gain space, only to be told that it needed something like 500mb room to run, and I'm like, "WTF?" I gotta have room to make a drive to compress it? That's stupid! I'm supposed to know ahead of time - to plan ahead the need for space! Anyone know what I'm talking about?

    Don FisherDon Fisher2 månader sedan
  • Errr.... Pretty much everything Microsuck's stolen. Even as far back as MS-DOS. With regard to The Gates Foundation; either Billy-Boy's finally had an epiphany OR he's still being blackmailed......

    forandon behalfofforandon behalfof2 månader sedan
  • so you CAN download more drive space HURRHURR

    samljersamljer2 månader sedan
  • That BBS screenshot was so great, I *just barely* missed out on the BBS scene.

    stillcoldstillcold2 månader sedan
  • tfw u get a gates ad on a video bashing microsoft

    Magdalena ŽivkovićMagdalena Živković3 månader sedan
  • “I didn’t get rich by writing a bunch of checks....buy em’ out boys!”

    Nick BNick B3 månader sedan
  • Don't get caught stacking off! Lol

    Nick PNick P3 månader sedan
  • PC one: Daaaaammmnnn... check out that new model over there! PC two: yeah, she is stacked! 🤣😂

    Nick PNick P3 månader sedan
  • Stac: give my software back Microsoft: errrr Vertisoft: ight imma head out

    EPIC12EPICEPIC12EPIC3 månader sedan
  • Yeah, I had a 2GB disk in my first PC already, but still remember using the drvspace to increase the capacity 🙂

    Messer SchnittMesser Schnitt3 månader sedan
  • How is it you pronounce bata as beetah? There's no E or I or Y in it... it's all A's... I thought you where saying beater version and in I was driver the beater version of such n' such a car... a beater is a way of saying a crappy low quality version of something that's okay to beat it up and treat it carelessly because it wouldn't last if you took the effort to care for it anyways so why bother, just use and abuse it till it's unusable.

    Grant ImaharaGrant Imahara3 månader sedan
  • Not entirely relevant, but I seem to remember an early release of '95 or '98 had forward slash notation in the /? output of a networking command (I believe tracert /?). The line had to do with the output of the results to a file. If it weren't stolen/lazily ported, I believe the file output format would be in backslash notation, wouldn't it? This has been bugging me for 20 years now

    Danny BerneDanny Berne3 månader sedan
  • Wow Microsoft were cunts. Wonder why Bill Gates spends his time creating toilets now days

    Park and Harbour ComedyPark and Harbour Comedy3 månader sedan
  • today, we just d/l RAM. look how cool we used to be

    GutnarmGutnarm4 månader sedan
  • No, they didn't steal anything. The patent was bogus, as most software patents are. The real ethical failing of Microsoft at the time was their bundling. They made it financially impossible for OEM's to bundle any other OS by making all-or-nothing pricing deals (i.e. it's $100 per copy, unless you _only_ bundle MS-DOS, in which case it's $20 per copy - not actual values, but that's about the scale of the difference).

    ThannyThanny4 månader sedan
  • I remember installing Dos 6 on my 386 DX40. Aaahh those were the days.

    N. M. C. VerhaegheN. M. C. Verhaeghe4 månader sedan
  • Bill Gates III bought DOS source code from his friend with mommys money and sold it to IBM. Such a genius programmer.

    Jozef BaniaJozef Bania4 månader sedan
  • I have a copy of it on my apple 6100 with MACOS 8.5. My first thought when I saw it was the looks like mid 2000s virus.

    Fixed Until BrokenFixed Until Broken4 månader sedan
  • Microsoft stole so much technology and that Is why they spent so much time in court being sued.

    Luke *Luke *4 månader sedan
  • Me after reading the title: If there's ever a question that Microsoft did something bad, they most probably did.

    BassaliciousBassalicious5 månader sedan
  • Song in the intro ?

    Tudor CotoiTudor Cotoi5 månader sedan
  • A question... In the example at around 13:50 in the video, I don't understand the offset,lenght number pair 34,37 - I understand the 34 seems to point to first character of the string, but shouldn't the second number be 4? That is, shouldn't it point to substring "THE "? I'm talking about the string "THE RAIN IN SPAIN FALLS MAINLY ON THE PLAIN" and it's compressed example "THE RAIN SPFALLS MLY ON PL" - or am I missing something here? It makes me wonder if I just missed some interesting detail you explained that would explain it... and if that's the case, I want to know :) Anyway, thanks for yet another great vid :)

    robsku1robsku15 månader sedan
  • Stacker was my choice and easy to use. From memory, I got say 66 to 75% compression. I never knew of MS including HDD compression. Damn, I thought I experienced the DOS wars in full fight.

    Albert LangerAlbert Langer5 månader sedan
  • This is the reason I despise Microsoft and in particular Bill Gates. Scummy man and scummy company.

    Greg CulverwellGreg Culverwell5 månader sedan
  • M3rC1.

    Frederic JuliardFrederic Juliard5 månader sedan
  • What I found most commonly turned out to be the case was whenever upgrading to a bigger hard drive, that it was far easier and simpler for me to buy a much bigger drive capacity and soon I ended up with disk drives in the high gigabyte range. If you buy a 700GB drive you get most of that as usable space after formatting is complete. Some older versions of Windows actually were a little shaky on disk sizes over a certain limit and would either create multiple partitions or be unable to reach the latter portion of space out of addressing reach. Newer versions did of course fix this but one could never have enough disk space it would seem! :D

    DarkVoidIIIDarkVoidIII5 månader sedan
  • Morre, more! People always want more. What do they want next? 15 megabytes? Who needs all that space!

    oåooåo ipipoåooåo ipip5 månader sedan
  • dskcrnch

    ChexsumChexsum6 månader sedan
  • I remember everyone having hard drives that typically peaked at 100Mb of space. When companies started offering 1Gb of space people thought that was just massive. There was no way in Hell we would ever fill up that much space! Now our consoles come with 1Tb SSD's (well starting tomorrow) and that won't be enough for most average users.

    sinn0100sinn01006 månader sedan
  • makes you wonder what Microsoft would be like if Microsoft lost all those 90s lawsuits

    kaptunkordankaptunkordan6 månader sedan
  • Zip drives, where the best. :)

    Will BudicWill Budic6 månader sedan
  • Bill Gates is a piece of garbage but people want to stand in line to suck his .... because he helps 3rd world ....... holes. All that money was theft and nobody cares. Shameful.

    OBG70OBG706 månader sedan
  • you know laplink ?? the stuff to transfer stuff over a special lpt cable ? ,well they stole that to ,like so many other stuff..

    BlueScreenOfDeadBlueScreenOfDead6 månader sedan
  • We had a product in early nineties, and Microsoft approached us. Your recall of the conversation with STAC is exactly how it goes. They promise distribution channel while literally bleeding you dry! So, you get nothing which Microsoft tries to sell it to you as everything.

    Peter RichardsPeter Richards6 månader sedan
  • The stupidity of the patent offices never ceases to amaze me. Stac's patent describes LZW word for word, yet they got the patent. NOTHING was invented.

    Doug GaleDoug Gale6 månader sedan
  • 9:30 0% 25% 75% 50% 100% ????

    Jay StrawJay Straw6 månader sedan
  • You have to give Windows some props but the whole thing was pretty much stolen from different people. It's not an issue to take people's ideas and use them but when you're building a multi-billion dollar company making an OS some credit is deserved.

    Noah PauletteNoah Paulette6 månader sedan
  • Stories like this really make me wish I was born a decade earlier so I could have lived through this time period. I'm an engineer and of course now is an exciting time for technology but the atmosphere surrounding the rapidly increasing technologies of the 1980's and 1990's seem so much more exciting and electric.

    Cj LooklinCj Looklin6 månader sedan
  • ofc he did.

    DankmanDankman6 månader sedan
  • I do recall being struck by the DBLSPACE disk corruption in the 90s. So many files lost and no internet to know how to recover them. This taught me the hard way to backup more frequently, and to stay away from any automatic disk compression solutions forever after.

    Michel IwaniecMichel Iwaniec6 månader sedan
  • Interesting, it quite explains the accident I had in 1995 with DoubleSpace. I can't recall if I had MS-DOS 6.2 or prior - but seeing this I presume it was pre 6.2 - certainly something went very bad one day. It began with a crash, and I had to reboot. Then NDD found thousands of "lost chains" and I lost a large amount of data. It all ended with a format and I never returned to DoubleSpace nor did I ever try DriveSpace (Win '95 was far too heavy for my old computer).

    BogdanBogdan6 månader sedan
  • This video almost completely ignored DR-Dos disk compression. I loved DR-DOS until Windows95 made DOS irrelevant by forcing it into the background of Windows. DR-DOS 6 with Win 3.11 was the best OS since GeoWorks Ensemble.

    azcomicgeekazcomicgeek6 månader sedan
  • I’m so glad that I’ve been using a Mac since 1986.

    Drew FreemanDrew Freeman6 månader sedan
  • 14:11 These people are so clearly European.

    Gene QuagmireGene Quagmire6 månader sedan
  • I have been working in IT for 32 years now. Microsoft....stole....everything! Sometimes outright, usually by sketchy business practices.

    Clark AdamsClark Adams6 månader sedan
  • I like this & I'm subscribing to other channels who like this. I am slowly growing my channel as well.

    ConsumerVuConsumerVu6 månader sedan
  • well of course good fellow.

    erik61801erik618016 månader sedan
  • I remember upgrading DOS 6.2 (which our PC came with) to 6.22. It basically had to decompress all the DoubleSpace partitions and recompress them using DriveSpace. That posed a problem due to... lack of free space... Had I skipped 6.22 entirely an upgraded to Windows 95, this would have been unnecessary as Windows 95 was compatible with both (although maybe only starting with OSR2, I'm not sure).

    Boris ZakharinBoris Zakharin6 månader sedan
  • the good old time of data losing..

    BitAuroraBitAurora6 månader sedan
  • *How to remove Stacker.dll* The worlds first malware problem...

    Senseless InductorSenseless Inductor7 månader sedan
  • And then Microsoft lies to Congress. As you could not install Windows. Without installing Internet Explore. As Internet Explorer was part of the OS Kernel....I won a $200.00 bet with my boss over that. As he tried for 2 weeks to delete Internet Explorer. Same thing with Microsoft Outlook Express..

    Up2NoGoodUp2NoGood7 månader sedan
  • The real question is "Did I steal DOS from Microsoft by copying that floppy?"

    Dycedarg's Elder BrotherDycedarg's Elder Brother7 månader sedan
  • I miss the days going to the store to buy actual software. I still use floppy disks to store config files, wallets etc.

    Jay JayJay Jay7 månader sedan
  • doublespace was terrible i used once and it corrupted my files ... even though i'd been warned not to use it and told stuff would be unstable.

    hakologyhakology7 månader sedan
  • Imagine a world without compression that costs you an arm and a leg. Thanks stack for nearly fucking us all you dicks.

    LucasLucas7 månader sedan
  • Now the Chinese just copy everything and nobody seems to give a $..

    Gustavo NevesGustavo Neves7 månader sedan
    • @Jari yeah ... been a long time. Here in Brazil some companies copied stuff when the country was still closed, but got copyfuck3d in the end

      Gustavo NevesGustavo Neves7 månader sedan
    • now ? 20 years back to now -and yes nobody gives a damn

      JariJari7 månader sedan
  • the initial question is, when did Micro$oft NOT steal something from others?!?

    dadautubedadautube7 månader sedan
  • Thank you for teaching me how compression works.

    Dustin SteeleDustin Steele7 månader sedan
  • DoubleSpace always reported the amount of space left wrong. So it it showed you have 10mb left, it normally meant you only had 5mb and if you went over you'd get failures. I did anyway. So already I needed DoubleSpace, it was annoying.

    Steven WhitingSteven Whiting7 månader sedan
  • Great video 👍 😁

    Grant RennieGrant Rennie7 månader sedan
  • 13:24 back in 1980 I developed a similar system for compressing large vector fonts in limited memory. Please send all the royalties my way...

    Peter D MorrisonPeter D Morrison7 månader sedan
  • I knew Gary Clow during those days and an interesting twist was that Art Collmeyer a Stac board member received Microsoft and the board hadn't really discussed what they wanted from Microsoft, so he "threw out" the 43x $1M/month and the $39.9M investment. He didn't think MS would accept but they just said "OK"! Art was on the board of a company I ran called Syntricity.

    Jeff TezaJeff Teza7 månader sedan
  • The most tenacious, legally available virus: Windows OS. I switch to a Linux Distro, and never will go back. MS knows this, and so is now trying the 3E approach with Linux.

    JarettJarett7 månader sedan
  • I just remember DoubleSpace and DriveSpace utterly killing CPU and Disk performance at the time. I didn't really ever use it as it was about the same time that hard drives started getting really cheap.

    Richard PurvesRichard Purves7 månader sedan
  • "Did Microsoft Steal X?" the answer to this is pretty much always "Yes", no matter what it is.

    TiramiQTiramiQ7 månader sedan
  • Bill Gates has been morally handicapped from the get go. He's an object lesson in how sociopaths rise to the top.

    Alida WeberAlida Weber7 månader sedan
  • DID MICROSOFT "NOT" STEAL ANYTHING ?. /jbsweden/ jb.se

    Jason Evan BaldwinJason Evan Baldwin7 månader sedan
  • be tah pay tents LUL

    CoolCatCoolCat7 månader sedan
  • Did all of mankind steal the knowledge of cooking an egg from the first person who did it

    Nehpets AmeniedNehpets Amenied7 månader sedan
  • My friend Mac's response, at the time, was that he could either spend the $149 on a license of Stacker, or he could buy a second HD. He always went for the second HD, thinking that way he actually got something tangible for his money.

    Robert ClarkRobert Clark7 månader sedan
  • I never saw any reason to use any disk compression. The company I was working with valued reliability higher than the relatively small amount of money to buy a larger disk. Back in the day I didn't use a DOS computer at home.

    Someone ElseSomeone Else7 månader sedan
  • Stacker was crappy. All the good boards had a copy available for download. Microsoft's antics (thefts) were well doccumented. Largely by the official boycott Microsoft site after the internet took off. The site is long gone, but I still remember the URL. www.vcnet.com/bms Outside of microsoft's scams and stacker's fate you have to remember that stacker didn't work well if your files were already zipped or arj'd or whatever compression method software was typically stored in. That means stacker hardly compressed anything other than the 360kb or so that dos its-self used and maybe your saved game files. Whoopty-do. The interesting thing about this case is that it brought to light Microsoft's Mode of operation in general. That is, steal software, resell it, pay less than they made in penalties later (if ever). It happened to more products than just stacker. Regardless of how Bill Gates is trying to buy his way into heaven these days, he's an evil man that made his money stealing from actual developers.

    Aaron KellyAaron Kelly7 månader sedan
  • Forgive me, but I hate how much you rely on stupid stock footage these days. If that's an inside joke I don't get it.

    Marc AurelMarc Aurel7 månader sedan
  • this seems like a trend Vista took some ideas from Apple at least when it came to interface elements like gadgets and the start menu search bar

    Ozzy HelixOzzy Helix7 månader sedan
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